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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
 Posted: Feb 13, 2006 - 03:09 AM #4400
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Location: Atlantic, Iowa
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| Thanks bordontn for the tips....I will keep trying this. I have had best luck with the 26 ga. galv. The copper was so soft that the flange tended to buckle very easy. Next time I'll try some 24 ga. I also notice its very important on the depth your gauge and to keep the stock running against it as you roll. Does anyone know the gap distance that the top die should be out from the lower die. Mine is set to about the same thickness as the metal I am working with. Just to clarify.....this setting is where you would use the knurled knob on the upper shaft....to move it inboard or outboard. |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 21, 2006 - 01:56 AM #4428
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Location: Mobile, Alabama
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I found a set of dies for my 622 from a member at another board. I should be getting them soon I hope. Can anyone explain the fluting die? Does it make the impressions like the vertical beads in stickman's copper can? I also will be getting the triple bead along with other single and ogee beads. I am going to give them a try and I am sure I will have some questions. How many passes does it take for the triple beads?
I got the keys to my new shop today and I am looking forward to moving forward. In the shop there are two Pexto tools, one is a 544-a and the other is a heavy duty machine, not sure of the number but it has crimp dies in it and it turns very slow, maybe 20 guge capacity?? Not sure. The 544 has all of what I call the basic dies, burr and turning ect...
I should be up and running in the new shop on Monday and I am really looking forward to it. |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 21, 2006 - 02:19 AM #4430
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Location: Atlantic, Iowa
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How many passes does it take for the triple beads?
I am going to say 3 or 4 passes on my pexto 620. I am curious to see your new rolls Pricer....is the triple roll cutom made for your 622? I have never seen any that fit a 622 is why I ask. Those verticle bends in my copper can were made on my 622 with the std. crimping rolls with the std. bead roll on the edges. I have a lone triple bead die that I wish I could find a mate for. It is the smaller version of the triple bead. Good luck on your new shop....please post some pictures  |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 21, 2006 - 02:33 AM #4432
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Hey pricer, good for you! Tell us a bit about your new shop. Are you leasing it or did you get to team up with someone? I have no doubt you'll do great what ever the case. More people should share your ambitions!
Thanks for all you do to help keep this shop tip top:) |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 21, 2006 - 03:20 AM #4435
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Location: Mobile, Alabama
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Stickman,
I am assuming that these dies will fit the 622. If I remember right, there is something special about the triple bead. I think I was told that the center bead was a bit longer than the other two. I was told they would fit the 622 but we will see. I do not know a lot about all of these rotary tools but I am looking forward to learning much more. My wonderful wife would love a set of those copper pots around the house.
We will see what tomorrow holds.
Bud,
I did lease an equipped curb manufacturing facility. It is truly a blessing and more than I could have hoped for this early in the game. The facility is filled with equipment of all sorts that will help set a good pace for manufacturing roof curbs of many types to meet ever increasing and expedient lead times. I am so looking forward to getting in there next week and making the place my new home, TCS LLC.
I have had an interesting conversation and I think the future looks very brite. I really look forward to setting some firm roots in roof curb manufacturing and to find my place in this competative market. Thanks for all of your support over the past few years, it has really meant a lot.
Thanks Bud..... |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 23, 2006 - 01:07 AM #4446
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| There is someone on eBay making new rolls to fit the Pexto machines. |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 23, 2006 - 01:28 AM #4447
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Yes, I contacted that guy and asked if he could make me a 1/2" bead set. He told me for right now they are just making the stepping rolls.  |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 23, 2006 - 01:44 AM #4448
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Stickman...PEXTO TIP No.8 The edge on the bottom is turned smaller
than on the body..From the library..."Light Bench Wiring Turning Burring
And Setting Down Machines" You said you turned 1/8" on body and 3/16"
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 23, 2006 - 03:11 AM #4449
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You're right Bordontn.....I did read that and have since changed the process.....actually I have tried turning a edge on the bottom lid at several different sizes to see what worked the best. Too big of a flange will buckle to much, once you get paste 90. I still like to roll the flange to 90 and hammer it over just enough to pinch in the barrell....then let the set down former finish it. As they say: practice makes perfect  |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 23, 2006 - 10:59 AM #4450
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Stickman wrote: Yes, I contacted that guy and asked if he could make me a 1/2" bead set. He told me for right now they are just making the stepping rolls.
Several profiles, including the triple beads, were offered a little while ago- I remember seeing the auction.
Maybe someone from Roper Whitney gave them a cease and desist order....
Maybe I should have bought them at that time. I assumed they would be available later. |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 28, 2006 - 04:07 AM #4469
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[quote="Stickman"][quote]How many passes does it take for the triple beads?
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I am going to say 3 or 4 passes on my pexto 620. I am curious to see your new rolls Pricer....is the triple roll cutom made for your 622? I have never seen any that fit a 622 is why I ask. Those verticle bends in my copper can were made on my 622 with the std. crimping rolls with the std. bead roll on the edges. I have a lone triple bead die that I wish I could find a mate for. It is the smaller version of the triple bead. Good luck on your new shop....please post some pictures :P[/quote]
Stick Man,
The triple bead dies have arrived and they fit the 622 perfectly. The center bead is about twice as big as the two outer ones with the center being somewhere about .3125" round. They are in great shape and they work well. I haven't had the time to try the others. I will post a picture of them when things slow down a bit.
In other new, I Built my first TCS adapter curb today. Kind of exciting for me :D :D as well as a bit challenging without all of the modern technology I had grown a custom to. I am just about over that hump and I am really beginning to become more productive on the bench again. Feels Good! You know what I mean........... :lol: |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Apr 03, 2008 - 05:45 AM #7452
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Stickman!!!...
Master!!!...
What I'm seeing, you're the guy that can answer my questions!!!
I want to get my hands on some of these old Pexto machines so I can learn how to do wired edge and set down seams...
I'm going nuts looking at all the machines on ebay and so far I haven't seen one with what I belive is the right die rollers for what I want to do.
Do the newer dies like from a 722 model fit the older models???
How long did it take you to find that set down machine???
I'd like to just hang out in your shop and follow you around like a puppy dog would... Your stuff is the epitome of what I'd like to be doing on my weekends!!!
I'd like to make an ash bucket for starters to use with my cast iron dutch oven cooking and then maybe do some custom wired edge fenders for a teardrop trailer I'm building. |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Apr 03, 2008 - 01:21 PM #7454
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Do the newer dies like from a 722 model fit the older models???
How long did it take you to find that set down machine???
Some of the dies from the 622 will fit the 544. Most of the older formers had different bores etc. I prefer the Pexto 544 for doing the edges, although you can also do these on the 622. Ah heck...you need them all really  If you can get hold of a 622 and a 544 with all the dies you are set. Those Setdown formers are on Ebay off and on....keep looking, and hopefully you will find one. The 561 is 24 ga and lighter rated and the 562 is 20 ga. and lighter. Good luck on your new venture too !! |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Apr 03, 2008 - 02:26 PM #7455
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Thanks Stickman,
I kinda figured you'd need them all.
The one thing I miss about being self employed, is tapping into the cash flow when stuff like this comes up.
There's several of the old ones at work that I have access to, but no setting down machine and I'm not seeing the dies for the wired edge to close the metal around the wire, but my shop foreman says we have the stuff to do wired edging.
Hopefully, they may have other machines elsewhere that I'm not privy to as of yet.
It's a cryin' shame that labor cost has turned much of the old tools into dinasours... But I guess, that just adds extra insentive to find them, eh?
I'll keep my eyes open and figure out a way to get some mad money to play with, now that I'm no longer self employed.
In the meantime I'll be drooling over your awesome work and will be experimenting with what we have at the shop. |
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