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Post subject:Pexto setting down 561 question ?
 Posted: Feb 11, 2006 - 01:43 PM #4363
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Quote: I missed out on winning a set down tool (pexto) on ebay this evening. Anyone have an extra one they would want to sell? Also looking for turning dies for pexto machines as well.
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Pricer, I thought I would let you know I have been playing around with trying to make a basic endcap by turning a small bur on the collar and then the same on the lid part with a little progress BUT, still a long way to go. I wanted to just let you know I looked at the machine that is on ebay you bid on. That is what I would call a old vintage version of the setting down machine. I don't think you will like that....my 2 cents but I am all ears if anyone can give me some tips on mastering this 561 I have. It took me 3 yrs of watching ebay and 300.00 to get this one...but it was restored very nice by the seller and is in excellent shape. Unfortunatley it never came with instructions...  I have attached a picture I found of the 561 and its purpose, but thats about it. I can form a 1/8 edge on the collar part fine using a small bur machine. I then try to form a 3/16 edge on the lid part using the small burring machine. Where I run into problems is how to get the flange over 90 on the lid part as shown in the picture diagram ?? I have tried peening it over but this seems time consuming and crude results. Maybe there is a step to do using the 561 that brings the flange over....like I said: any one with any ideas ? I understand that most of these roll forming machines take a lot of practice to getting them to do what you want !! |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 11, 2006 - 02:15 PM #4364
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Stickman,
I'm almost sure the book I just loaned to pricer has this information in it.
I could head down to Alabama and take a look for you:)
I'll post a picture a bit later on my setting down machine. You think you have it rough:)
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 11, 2006 - 02:16 PM #4365
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| In fact I have no problem letting him send it off to you if so and then you can send it back to me when you're through with it... |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 11, 2006 - 03:06 PM #4366
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| Thanks Bud, that would be great. I have some Pexto catalogs that lists all their tools from the 80's.......I always liked how they never really give you any clues as how to run them |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 11, 2006 - 03:15 PM #4367
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Did you see this in the library on the setting down machine?
http://www.thesheetmetalshop.com/pdf_ma ... _sectN.pdf
It's pretty interesting and there are plenty of lessons here as well. |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 11, 2006 - 03:30 PM #4368
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| This is exactly what I was looking for Bud ! I looked in the library but evidently not good enough. I just printed this info up and am anxious to play with it some more. Let's see...where is my tie and apron |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 11, 2006 - 03:32 PM #4369
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Good for you! Let us see the results! It wasn't printable until two minutes ago? Maybe I'll put them on the CD  |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 11, 2006 - 09:50 PM #4373
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| Ok Bud, you talked me into it. After 2 hrs. of playing around I did manage to fab a little can. I can tell you this.....I won't be making my own endcaps just quite yet ! But this isn't what I wanted this for anyway. Every now and then someone wants something pretty made and I need the tools and experience to do it. This can is around 6" Dia. and after trial and error I found cutting the cap 6.75" was just right. The burring of the canister was no problem....but the lid is a different story. I can form the flange to a 90 but beyond that it really gets warped out ?? I cheated and just peened over the lid most of the way and then used the 561 to make it look smooth. I think I am going to try to make a video of each step and have it available for viewing on my web site. I will keep you posted. I also used my 544-A machine to do the burring. turning, and wire edging....which I have done this before. I am still wondering how they expected you to turn the lid flange over 90 and then snap the can part in ?? Any way here are some pics. |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 11, 2006 - 10:09 PM #4374
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| Nice and I bet you could sell the videos, heck to me too? If and when you do, I'll give you a plug here at the shop! Thanks Stickman! |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 11, 2006 - 10:09 PM #4375
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| Hey, nice instructions in the backround:) |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 11, 2006 - 10:14 PM #4376
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| I also see you have a ring cutter or circle shear. I too have one and it's one sweet machine. It was sitting in the back of Gladwin and I picked it up for $50.00. I'll have to post a picture of my setting down machine..you're going to likr this one:) |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 12, 2006 - 12:47 AM #4377
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| Nice work! I missed a set down machine today but I am still looking. I would like to find one as well as a double setdown machine and turning ang wire dies for my 622. Are the triple bead dies still available? I haven't seen any yet. They are described in the book Bud has loaned out to me. Good book for tool useage instruction. |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 12, 2006 - 02:12 AM #4378
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Quote: I would like to find one as well as a double setdown machine and turning ang wire dies for my 622. Are the triple bead dies still available?
Good luck on finding that 644.....they are about extinct I think  Gladwin has one listed on their used machinery. But no one can ever seem to locate where it is?? The 622 turning rolls and wiring rolls you can still buy new and will fit also the 544-A machine. Now as far as the triple bead......then you have to get back to the early days and find a old 622 like Peck Stow Wilcox unit as these rolls will not fit a newer 622. I have seen them once in awile on Ebay but rolls only.....I think they have a 7/8 bore and the 622 has a 15/16 shaft. So Pricer.....does Bud's book give you any tips on forming the lid flange ?? I will let you know when I see one of those machines again in case you miss it. |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 12, 2006 - 02:53 AM #4379
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Bud's book is very helpful when it comes to describing how to use the machines. It even covers elbow edging. It is a good book. As Bud had said earlier, I could mail you the book if you like? Let me know. The book covers just about all the equipment you would typically use in your shop.
There are a couple of turning machines on ebay that I am watching now. I have an old 622, there is a post here with pictures. Will the triple bead die fit this machine you think? I still need to measure the shaft size but I want to say they are 7/8".
I now have three rotary tools. One is for elbow edging, burring and the 622. I am bidding on another 622 currently that appears to have many dies. We will see how it works out. I did win a Johnson Soldering Furnace and a few other items pertaining to soldering. An old coal furnaces and another cast iron furnace. Thanks for looking out for me.
The can you pictured looks very nice! Can't wait to be able to build one of my own. Does anyone have a double set down machine? |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 12, 2006 - 09:01 PM #4388
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Did I forget to mention I have 30,000 digital pictures on my pc..  I had to make another can out of copper to see how the set down worked. Again, its the lid flange that really takes some technique ! I went through 30+ lids this weekend trying to get that flange over 90 and still having to peen it over by hand. This works, but I think it was suppose to be a little easier than it is. My wife asked me what it was for....my reply: I brand new shop ornamnent. |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 12, 2006 - 09:09 PM #4389
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| You're a true craftsman! I'm truly jelous..I have to give up this website development so I can get back in the shop:(I often wonder if I can find it anymore) but as long as everyone is enjoying thier and learning here, I'm fine:) Hosting this iste has been a real pleasure? [many thanks to our Sponsors] |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 12, 2006 - 09:12 PM #4390
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| How much for one of those copper cans? Nice Work! |
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 12, 2006 - 09:56 PM #4395
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burring the cylinder: if it's straight you can turn your burr in a brake or bar-folder before forming..
I seam my bottom with a small hammer a little at the time at the edge of the bench.Then with bottom
up, hold over the angled edge of beakhorn stake. finish with rawhide or wooden mallet. With that done ,slide overconductor stake and fold over double seaming your piece..
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 12, 2006 - 10:01 PM #4396
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sorry guys the wrong drawing...I.m so embarressed Too many drawings called "seams"
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Post subject:RE: Pexto setting down 561 question ?
Posted: Feb 13, 2006 - 12:06 AM #4399
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stickman .......according to some very old instructions ..to burr that bottom you adjust the rolls to put a slight impression
in your work the first pass..as you turn the crank, lift slightly on the piece making several passes lifting slightly each pass until
you are just past 90 degrees.
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