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Post subject:Japanned Steel
 Posted: Jun 30, 2005 - 04:43 AM #3255
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This topic is something I have read about in a 1869 tinware catalog. It would appear to be some type of coating like paint maybe? I am not sure but I saw an old soldering fire pot coated with it. It must be heat resistant? Any help on this subject will be helpful.
I would like to put it on a future soldering furnace. The last one did not sale, going to try something different.
Not so much a finish, as a style of finishing.
Webster's 1913 Dictionary:
1) \Ja*pan"\, n. [From Japan, the country.] Work varnished and figured in the Japanese manner; also, the varnish or lacquer used in japanning.
2) \Ja*pan"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Japanned}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Japanning}.] 1. To cover with a coat of hard, brilliant varnish, in the manner of the Japanese; to lacquer.
Wordnet Dictionary:
[n] lacquer with a durable glossy black finish, originally from the orient.
Oxford English Dictionary:
\Ja*pan"\, n. def 2: A varnish of exceptional hardness which originally came from Japan. The name is now extended to other varnishes of a like sort esp., to (a) a black varnish obtained by cooking asphaltum with linseed oil, used for producing a black gloss on metal and other materials; (b) a varnish-like liquid made from shellac, linseed-old and turpentine and used as a medium in which to grind colours and for drying pigments. |
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Post subject:RE: Japanned Steel
Posted: Jun 30, 2005 - 05:11 PM #3257
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Location: Rochester, NY
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| Hi Pricer, What I know is littlie but it may be of some use in research. The Japanese laquered on both wood and steel for decoration. It was typical to use laquer on iron and steel plates in armour espcially helmets. I have no clue as to how heat resistance it is but there might be a connection to the use of it as a painted finnish for tin if it had been used on iron and steel, it it said to be a very durable finnish that resists typical chipping like paint. I hope this will help in your research. |
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Post subject:RE: Japanned Steel
Posted: Jun 30, 2005 - 06:15 PM #3260
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Thanks for the info and Welcome to the Shop. I was reading an article that says japanning steel is completed by baking. To me this is a clue to its heat resistance??
I found a site with some info on the subject.
http://www.cranialstorage.com/wood/html/japanning.html
Thanks Again. |
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Post subject:RE: Japanned Steel
Posted: Sep 01, 2005 - 03:51 PM #3599
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| Hi guys sorry ,been off line for a while .Japan black is similar too ennamel in that after being applied it is baked to a hardwearing glassy finish ,similar to stove ennameling .I have a book with the tecnique in it ,but dont know where you could soarce the actual Jap black,if you want the tecnique just let me know .aw ra best Marky |
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Post subject:RE: Japanned Steel
Posted: Sep 06, 2005 - 01:38 AM #3620
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The term "japan"was adopted for the English finish applied to tin ware because of
their admiration of the true Japanese laquer..."japan" was made from asphaltum,
derived from coal-tar residue,then mixed with resin and amber dissolved in linseed oil
and thinned with turpentine..Applied with brush or dipped then dried for several hours
in a drying oven @ 212-300 degrees............ I suppose this was a base for painting their designs.Some gold leaf was used as well..Then varnish applied over all..Sometimes several coats, buffing between each...
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Post subject:RE: Japanned Steel
Posted: Sep 21, 2007 - 04:27 PM #6730
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Location: LAKE IN THE HILLS, IL
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| I can help get true asphaltum and other items to help if some one wants to get into this. ALso check out the Tin decorators Guild. They have more info for Traditional work. Currently the production using modern black paint is just as good as the old stuff for flower pots. |
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Post subject:RE: Japanned Steel
Posted: Sep 22, 2007 - 09:56 PM #6732
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| Barnhart, thanks for the info...where can we find the Tin Decorators Guide? |
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Post subject:RE: Japanned Steel
Posted: Jan 05, 2008 - 07:56 PM #7057
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Hi Paul,
I didn't find any links to a "Tin decorators Guild" or guide as Bud suggested either. Would you have a source for the resin or rosin used in these old recipes? Art suppliers paint formulating resin is way too expensive, yet from all my old books having shellac recipes their 'resin' is affordable. Resin has so many sources and qualities, the right stuff at the right price is needed.
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