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Post subject:TRAINING SHEET METAL WORKERS
 Posted: Jun 22, 2008 - 08:42 AM #7686
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Location: nz
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Training new sheetys is the answer. I've advertised and trained hundreds of temps, staff and contractors over two decades.
Get "smart"!!!! Use temps from personnel agencies. That way you can get a new one each day at zero costs, until you find one with "loads" of potential!!!
Then train them, process by process. DON'T give them five things to do at once.....why!!! because they won't remember....DEEEER!!!!
One process at a time! They will learn quickly....and in a matter of "no time" they will be "bashing" duct out!!!! to suit demand!!!!
THEN ANOTHER TEMP!!! Don't loose "FOCUS"!!!!!!!
"QUESTIONS"!!!!!!!! anyone.... |
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Post subject:Training
Posted: Jun 25, 2008 - 07:28 AM #7687
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I wasn't very clear above!
Get "cheap temps (laborers)" in from an agency at a low flat hourly rate. Get them moving on easy tasks, folding, notching, duct deliveries, cleaning, etc. If by the end of the day or two they seem, well... DUMB! Ring the agency to re-place them for a new one for the next day. Sometimes the next re-placement is "good"! I have used some of these laborers for months or years and some have ended up being my supervisor and dependable, making me and them money!!!! WIN/WIN
Some have worked out to be "faster" then some of my old experienced workers. Sometimes my experienced workers have all the knowledge but are "SLOW" as a "snail"! The temps are keen to learn and impress me!
I know!!! Sounds like a lot of "hassle", but NOT having any workers to do the JOB is more of a "HASSLE" and some of my best workers that I've trained as temps initially say five, ten or fifteen years ago have gone on to be foreman's, business owners and highly experienced workers in stainless, welding, ducting, boiler making, structural steel work, pipe fitting, refrigeration, etc.
Good luck. There are thousands of laborers out there waiting for a "chance" to impress YOU!
The good thing I've found about temps is that you may only need them for a short while, maybe a couple of days or weeks so you can get rid of them easily when the jobs done. I bring them in to help take the pressure off my experienced men. They can do easy tasks...
NOTE: Get someone who is patient and good at training to teach them. Not someone who is bad tempered and hates giving out knowledge. You all probably know what I mean, aye.
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Post subject:TRAINING WORKERS
Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 08:04 AM #7717
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The added advantage of using Temps is that the Agencies ""check"" the temps out.
They check the temp for:
Criminal records.
Photo copy their drivers license.
The agency gets them to answer a check list to assess how "bright" they are.
Sometimes I'll ask the agency for the same temp I've used a few times over the months or years. They have gained sheet metal experience. Some temps like working for an agency for long periods. They like the variety.
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Post subject:RE: TRAINING SHEET METAL WORKERS
Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 03:08 PM #7718
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Joined: Sep 03, 2003
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Location: edinburgh
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Wouldent it be better for yourself (i am assuming its your company)and the long term future of the trade to start and train apprentices ,they may not be as easy to bump as say a temp,but good apprentices make good tradesmen ,o.k after they have finished their time they might want to fly the nest ,work for someone else ,start their own shop,todays apprentices are tommorows skilled workforce ,diluting the skill factor does your company or the trade no favours .and this is not a slight on any semi-skilled workers outthere ,some of whom are highly skilled at what they do ,but how many semi-skilled men would have given their eye teeth to have had the chance of becoming time served men .dont start temps start apprentices give the youth of today the chance to be the tradesmen of tommorow .
Aw ra best getting down off his soapbox Marky |
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Post subject:TRAINING WORKERS
Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 08:03 PM #7720
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Yes...I train apprentices as well. Loads of them. When my workshop is open for 3 shifts...days, nights and weekends. I need 20 or more men in the shop working hard, sometimes for 2 years "solid". So I'll have 3 apprentices, 6 temps and a load of semi to skilled workers. We get multi-million dollar contracts so I need all the men I can get in. Out of the 6 temps I use, I might keep 2 or 3 on for months or years.
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Post subject:TRAINING WORKERS
Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 06:16 AM #7723
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We have a system in our country where all apprentices belong to an "apprenticeship trust". We hire them on as contractors. The trust buys them tools and safety care and delivers them to the new companies that they might work in. The apprentice can work anywhere in this country. Some companies may not have enough variety to suit the apprentice so the apprentice has the opportunity to be transfered to another company or we can "move" them on (if they are no good) as they are, well, temps.
It sounds like you have the "old" system where you can't get rid of an apprentice... even if he's a bad worker... that does make it hard.
So basically I'm hiring on a variety of workers so "spreading" the skills around. How many apprentices, temps, contractors, semi skilled or qualified workers do you have.
I've trained hundreds of workers since 1987 to suit contract requirements, when I was first made workshop manager so I am contributing quite nicely to the market place.
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Post subject:TRAINING QUESTIONS
Posted: Jul 10, 2008 - 09:40 AM #7725
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Hi all...please "bombard" me with questions after questions in regards to creating teams to suit large contract demands.
If I win a "big" contract where I need to "pump" out 1000 to 1400 odd hours of labor a week, I'll contract on workers that work in competing companies. They may not want to leave their day time job but will work for me in either the night shift or weekend shifts. That means they will start at say 5.30pm and work to 10 or 11pm that night, mon to thurs and then a full 8 hrs on the Saturday and Sunday (thats approx 30 to 35 hrs from 1 person working after hours). Some workers don't like working nights but are keen on working the sat or Sundays or vice versa.
Generally I find that blokes with kids and mortgages and debt tend to work every hour offered. They need the money. I pay my workers well. The longest week anyone has ever worked for me is 102 hrs in 1 week. I know...too much you say...but "he" wanted to finish an urgent job. He travels over seas twice a year and owns a late model mercedes...so it is a win/win relationship.
So as you can see I basically put together teams to suit contract demands, whether I use apprentices, temps, contractors, semi skilled or qualified workers.
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Post subject:CREATING TEAMS FOR LARGE CONTRACTS
Posted: Jul 10, 2008 - 09:59 AM #7726
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Also... many workshops do not use sheet metal contractors. Your probably saying..."what are sheet metal contractors"???
They are "great"!!! I've used "heaps"!!!
I pay then a good rate.
Because they aren't ""staff"" they tend to work "harder" as I can get rid of them at a moments notice. They pay for their own taxes, holidays, sick leave, boots, etc.
They work "harder as they want to "impress" me. I give them "bonuses"!
Because they "own their own one man business", they have a sense of pride about them, they can have time off when they want. I let them have 1/2 days or Fridays off to suit their requirements.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I'm a "good" boss.
I look after my workers. I make them cups of teas. At night I clean up their work stations and empty their rubbish bins and straighten up their tools so they are happy the next morning. I hire on temps to assist my skilled workers.
Are you going that extra "mile".
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Post subject:QUESTIONS!!!! ABOUT TRAINING.
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 07:53 AM #7727
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Hi all, there are 1000 people on this website at this moment.
Tools, machines, procedures, plant, coil lines, processes, etc, all depend on LABOR or WORKERS!!! to "drive" these tools!!
This is the most important "topic" as without workers.....well, you stop and close the workshop!!!
What's happening out there in the world. Do you work in a two man workshop or a "world leading" 68 men workshop, please tell!!!
thanks...???!!! |
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Post subject:RE: TRAINING SHEET METAL WORKERS
Posted: Sep 08, 2008 - 02:42 AM #7810
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