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Post subject:Iron Lacquer
 Posted: Jun 17, 2007 - 11:33 PM #6497
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Joined: May 04, 2007
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Location: Central Iowa
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Anyone heard of it?
I was reading a book from 1930's or so and the author stated it was good to coat bright iron to keep it from rusting, as well as the copper or brass used in the project.
He stated to use a high quality varnish in the recipe or it would yellow.
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Post subject:RE: Iron Lacquer
Posted: Jun 18, 2007 - 12:49 PM #6499
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Joined: Sep 03, 2003
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Location: edinburgh
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In an old book i have the lacquer is described as colours or tints with the most popular bieng French gold,which was a hot lacquer or cold ones with propriety names such as zapon and brassoline ,if a modern lacquer is wanted a gloss or matt car lacquer would do if its small stuff you do ,steal the wifes hair spray we found this works really well after patinating bronze.
Aw ra best Marky
p.s dont tell the wife i told you to steal her hair spray |
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Post subject:RE: Iron Lacquer
Posted: Jun 19, 2007 - 01:25 PM #6504
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Location: Central Iowa
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I would like the recipe to French gold or brassoline from the sounds of it. I'd like to come up with a bronze look.
Could you share the recipe to either?
I was woundering if it was the same as Japonning but the name was changed in the 1940's to iron lacquering. But Japonning was a heavy opaque black (not what I really want).
What does the hair spray do? I do a lot of patinating but never heard of that one. I do sometimes use a flat clear coat for table tops. |
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Post subject:RE: Iron Lacquer
Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 01:06 PM #6508
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Location: edinburgh
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In the book i have The Practical Metalworker 1889. the base lacquer is clear shellac with a mixture of bronze powder patinated to the desired colour , i found another recipe .quote For good - class work on iron dead black or egg shell is the most suitable . Before applying these a primer of red lead ground into 1 part linseed oil and 3 parts turpentine . A good egg shell paint to apply over thisis made of graphite mixed with turpentine and a little japan gold size .Into this mix 1 oz of bees wax for every 1 lb of graphite previously melted in a little turpentine .
whether some of these ingredients are still availiable eg red lead powder i dont know . The hair lacquer acts as a fixative similar to these that artists use on pastel drawings and also keeps the atmosphere out .Hope this helps in some way
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Post subject:RE: Iron Lacquer
Posted: Jun 20, 2007 - 01:21 PM #6509
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Joined: May 04, 2007
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Location: Central Iowa
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It does Marky. You're right I don't believe the red lead is available. But I believe I remeber a work around from another book. It was what hardend the paint I think.
But the recipes sound right from what the author I was reading said about adding more wax or more turpintine.
Interesting about the hair spray. I am doing a copper table for a gal now and was told to use a flattening agent in clear coat. In the past I have just shot it with a satin clear coat, but she thought it would be to glossy still.
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Post subject:RE: Iron Lacquer
Posted: Sep 21, 2007 - 04:24 PM #6729
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Joined: Jul 15, 2005
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Location: LAKE IN THE HILLS, IL
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I have heard stuff from hither and yon about how to coat iron.
How much money do you want to invest?
Each treatment is a coating, that means it can be scratched off or has to be re-applied some time. Some smiths are using the water based floor finsh (for wood floors) Some use just wax ( bees or carubna ( spelling )) I don't really like the sprays anyway. Consider trying Tung oil, it can be thinned, it dries hard, you can wipe it on without inhaling 1/2 of it. and it will cover fingerprints. There is a matt and there is a Glossy. A very little goes a long way. It is also food safe. a small cheap sponge will do or a piece of rag. It seems to me that there is less clean up, no spray can, less impact on the environment in general. The really thin coatings still let the metal shine through.. |
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