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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
 Posted: Mar 21, 2007 - 04:52 PM #6111
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Cadman...don't kid yourself...you are the guina pig for eccad....oh wait...I think I am too...dang.
I called about two weeks ago due to get an update for my second station to bring it up to the same version as my main station. They were both running older versions than what they had out. (Thanks for letting us know there were new versions out!) |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Mar 22, 2007 - 06:58 PM #6115
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I am curious if they (EC) teaches you the DOS comands to repair or delete a bad drawing?
When my old version (c.1992) was installed I was taught to use the follwing commands at the DOS prompt. CD\>!IDRAW\!PGS\DWGINI or DWGFIX. I used them so frequently because of incombatability of drawings and issues when I combine drawings, that I have it written in marker inside my desk drawer. I find that DWGFIX does not usually fix the drawing and I have to go to the DWGINI to wipe out a bad drawing and start over. |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Mar 22, 2007 - 08:17 PM #6116
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legacy wrote:
I am curious if they (EC) teaches you the DOS comands to repair or delete a bad drawing?
When my old version (c.1992) was installed I was taught to use the follwing commands at the DOS prompt. CD\>!IDRAW\!PGS\DWGINI or DWGFIX. I used them so frequently because of incombatability of drawings and issues when I combine drawings, that I have it written in marker inside my desk drawer. I find that DWGFIX does not usually fix the drawing and I have to go to the DWGINI to wipe out a bad drawing and start over.
They have batch files now they have you run. I think they are installed when ever you load the program. |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Apr 06, 2007 - 09:09 PM #6181
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Hi
Ive been using EC CAD for awhile now. I find it to be the most user friendly and quickest on the market. I came from using some of their competitors software I.E. CAD Duct, CAD Pipe, TSI, etc.. ALL of them have bugs. Hell, Microsoft Word has bugs.
I think you will find the the industry is changing and from what I gather, EC CAD will be the program to be using when, and while it does change. Over the past year I have been seeing more and more engineers drawing duct and pipe with ABS and soon to be released AutoCAD 2008. When you get these drawings you can use the already drawn Mechanical and Piping and bring it straight to Fabrication without having to redraw it. Talk about a Time & Money saver.
As far as support goes, Ive talked to there support guys a couple of times and the difference between EC Support and the "other guys" support is that the guys at EastCoast seem to actually give a shit. Also.. you might not want to admit it but, most the issues that you guys are bringing up and some of the own that I have experienced are usually related to..."User Error". |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Apr 07, 2007 - 03:20 AM #6184
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Gath3r wrote:
Hi
Ive been using EC CAD for awhile now. I find it to be the most user friendly and quickest on the market. I came from using some of their competitors software I.E. CAD Duct, CAD Pipe, TSI, etc.. ALL of them have bugs. Hell, Microsoft Word has bugs.
I think you will find the the industry is changing and from what I gather, EC CAD will be the program to be using when, and while it does change. Over the past year I have been seeing more and more engineers drawing duct and pipe with ABS and soon to be released AutoCAD 2008. When you get these drawings you can use the already drawn Mechanical and Piping and bring it straight to Fabrication without having to redraw it. Talk about a Time & Money saver.
As far as support goes, Ive talked to there support guys a couple of times and the difference between EC Support and the "other guys" support is that the guys at EastCoast seem to actually give a shit. Also.. you might not want to admit it but, most the issues that you guys are bringing up and some of the own that I have experienced are usually related to..."User Error".
I bet you work for ECCAD.........because what you wrote does not at all go with what we actually experience. Also you are sadly mistaken about going from arch drawings to fab. The drawings are diagramatic now and will always be. To go straight to download is a pipedream...if you have been drawing for any length of time you would know this. Nothing personal, but I think you work for eccad. |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Apr 10, 2007 - 02:23 AM #6195
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Oh I forgot to mention...you said all programs have bugs. This is true but for $12,000 a pop and $1995 a year for each station for "maintance" I should expect a program that works better than it actually does and service that that would be unequaled.
The subscription benefits include"priority access to product and techanical support." Some days I can't even get tech support on the phone or get emails returned. Read back thru some of my posts you will see the "priority access to product and techanical support" I received. Dang now I want a refund....I better quite typing cause I am getting mad and want to call my lawyer.
Anyone want to buy a station..I am selling one for $8000....no lie. Shoot me a pm if you are interested. |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Apr 15, 2007 - 05:36 AM #6241
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| Venting....Disappearing duct is back (or not). More bugs also...dang I am tired of this. |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Apr 16, 2007 - 07:15 PM #6248
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| another bug this time with the liner |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Apr 16, 2007 - 07:47 PM #6250
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Joined: May 13, 2003
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Have they done anything to help you with these problems.
My cad crashed on me this morning, I'm about 5 versions behind? But it got to the point I was always upgrading because they offered it? Not in a long time because I was comfortable with it. It's not anything out of the ordinary for me with my computer and all the different software i use for programming? Most of which has bugs of some kind.
I get to the point to shut it down and walk away from it, it's not worth a heart grabber if you know what I mean? |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Apr 16, 2007 - 07:58 PM #6251
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Apr 16, 2007 - 08:10 PM #6252
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Bud,
I tell them and they "put it on the list". So I really don't have time to beta test their product. So I just vent in here now..lol keeps me from grabbing my heart.
Does your company have a maintance agreement with them? I just got my notice its time to pay close to $2000 again for the year for one station. I really am having second thought on this. |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Apr 16, 2007 - 08:54 PM #6253
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No, I use a snips  Lifetime warranty from Sears and no software to load! |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Apr 19, 2007 - 06:26 PM #6279
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Anyone notice that when you use the delete tool then move to another area to delete some more that the items you just deleted are still there. Well don't bother redeleteing them because they are really gone, they just reappear when you use the the dynamic move. Go out of the delete tool and you will see that they disapear.
Also I had to have tech support bring in all my autocad drawings due to them being drawn in autocad 2007..seems the system does not yet support 2007. Also when you go to plot your completed drawings...it locks up. I have a call to tech support, but they are gone this week so I get the voice mail for Randy.
Gotta love it this program is sweet! |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Apr 28, 2007 - 01:15 AM #6332
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Hey guys and gals...I received this email from a vistor to my website. I thought you might find it interesting.
"IF YOU ARE USING CADPIPE SOFTWARE I THOUGHT YOU MAY LIKE TO KNOW THEY ARE NOW IN CAHOOTS WITH INDIA AND GOING INTO THE SHOP DRAWING BUSINESS.
THEY UNDERCUT ME ON A JOB BY 35% WITH THAT CHEAP ASS LABOR.
I SAW THE DRAWINGS AND THEY SUCK HOWEVER THEY WILL SOMEDAY GAIN THE KNOWLEDGE THANKS TO CADPIPE. "
Any thoughts on this? |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: May 08, 2007 - 05:52 AM #6402
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| Update...program locked up importing 2007 autcad drawings....would not respond to anything. The fix from tech support was to reload the program. It worked for awhile then I went to import another drawing and guess what...yup locked up again. Also got it to lock up trying to plot a newly imported drawing. Ya know I have been working on this program from the get go and I know a ton of fixes and "what not to do" so the program won;t crash..but they are getting harder to work around. |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Jun 22, 2007 - 03:09 PM #6514
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gator412 wrote:
Hey guys and gals...I received this email from a vistor to my website. I thought you might find it interesting.
"IF YOU ARE USING CADPIPE SOFTWARE I THOUGHT YOU MAY LIKE TO KNOW THEY ARE NOW IN CAHOOTS WITH INDIA AND GOING INTO THE SHOP DRAWING BUSINESS.
THEY UNDERCUT ME ON A JOB BY 35% WITH THAT CHEAP ASS LABOR.
I SAW THE DRAWINGS AND THEY SUCK HOWEVER THEY WILL SOMEDAY GAIN THE KNOWLEDGE THANKS TO CADPIPE. "
Any thoughts on this?
Anyone have any more insight into this? |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Nov 30, 2007 - 05:25 AM #6930
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beernut wrote: gator412 wrote:
Hey guys and gals...I received this email from a vistor to my website. I thought you might find it interesting.
"IF YOU ARE USING CADPIPE SOFTWARE I THOUGHT YOU MAY LIKE TO KNOW THEY ARE NOW IN CAHOOTS WITH INDIA AND GOING INTO THE SHOP DRAWING BUSINESS.
THEY UNDERCUT ME ON A JOB BY 35% WITH THAT CHEAP ASS LABOR.
I SAW THE DRAWINGS AND THEY SUCK HOWEVER THEY WILL SOMEDAY GAIN THE KNOWLEDGE THANKS TO CADPIPE. "
Any thoughts on this?
Anyone have any more insight into this?
Hi All
I can indeed confirm this. I worked for a firm in DC on a 6mo contract gig. the whole 6mo I was fixing the work from this co in India. They were without question contracted via AEC Cadpipe.
The contract was for 9 mo but I could not take it anymore so I drug up. The owner was content on using them and I just could not see training these people to take my job. Will they ever gain the Knowledge? They may get better however; without field experience they will never get work from a quality minded contractor who relies on highly efficient shop dwgs.
That’s not to say that someone without field experience can't become an excellent detailer however it is very rare. One thing that really bothers me about any IT outsourcing is no taxes or tariffs are collected.
Cad techs who work for Engineering and Architectural firms have taken a hit from outsourcing over the years so I am guessing those of us who make a living as detailer s will also have to learn how to compete or move on.
My Thoughts Anyway. |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Nov 30, 2007 - 05:42 AM #6931
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gator412 wrote: Gath3r wrote:
Hi
Ive been using EC CAD for awhile now. I find it to be the most user friendly and quickest on the market. I came from using some of their competitors software I.E. CAD Duct, CAD Pipe, TSI, etc.. ALL of them have bugs. Hell, Microsoft Word has bugs.
I think you will find the the industry is changing and from what I gather, EC CAD will be the program to be using when, and while it does change. Over the past year I have been seeing more and more engineers drawing duct and pipe with ABS and soon to be released AutoCAD 2008. When you get these drawings you can use the already drawn Mechanical and Piping and bring it straight to Fabrication without having to redraw it. Talk about a Time & Money saver.
As far as support goes, Ive talked to there support guys a couple of times and the difference between EC Support and the "other guys" support is that the guys at EastCoast seem to actually give a shit. Also.. you might not want to admit it but, most the issues that you guys are bringing up and some of the own that I have experienced are usually related to..."User Error".
I bet you work for ECCAD.........because what you wrote does not at all go with what we actually experience. Also you are sadly mistaken about going from arch drawings to fab. The drawings are diagramatic now and will always be. To go straight to download is a pipedream...if you have been drawing for any length of time you would know this. Nothing personal, but I think you work for eccad.
It's not a bug its a feature.
Also if this person had the wealth of experience he claims he would know that it is VERY VERY RARE that you will ever get a dwg from an engineer that is still in MEP format. They most always convert them to a vanilla AutoCAD file format. Not to mention that MEP will soon be a thing of the past as MEP revit takes over.
Getting backgrounds from A&E is like pulling teeth let a lone ADT or MEP Files. |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Dec 02, 2007 - 02:02 PM #6934
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When you say lock up, how long have you given it? What is the cpu speed/architecture, how much memory do you have, and what is the file size? CAD conversion is a memory hog process. You realize plotting is a conversion process, too, right?
You need anywhere from 2-1/2 to 4x the memory to make conversions for some file types. I suspect your "lock up" is simply due to the processing time of the file itself. They call this render time. And if the file's actual history is being processed, you know the layer by layer and step by step process of making it, then that could be just the problem. Plotters don't necessarily use the history, they re-render a drawing to optimally render it to paper to save ink. Larger files take that much more time and the plotters themselves need their own gobs of memory, which a lot of people don't seem to understand.
One of the hats I wore years ago was a LAN guy. I supported engineers that used Auto CAD and Bentley\Microstation. File conversion between the two was stupendously long if they did not have massive amounts of memory. The key to listen for was the hard drive spinning excessively. You get very little hard drive time during the process if the memory is sufficient. |
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Post subject:RE: EastCoast Cad 2007
Posted: Dec 02, 2007 - 06:10 PM #6935
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I have two stations and I use one for plotting and importing. So I allow sometimes over an hour due to me getting busy on the other station. Plus tech support knows there is a problem and can replicate it. I run two Dell Dimensions 9150s each with dual x86 family model 4 stepping 4 genuineIntel 2992Mhz processors with 2 gigs of memory. My plotter has a 3 gig hard drive with 2 gigs of memory. So I don't think the computer is the problem.
I agree that the key is to watch (or listen) to the hard drive to see how hard the computer is working on the files. I have very little hard drive spin on the processing. |
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